GNU Project Electronic Mailing Lists and gnUSENET Newsgroups Last Updated 2006-06-03 Please report improvements to: gnu@gnu.org See the end of this file for copyright notice and copying conditions * Mailing list archives The GNU mailing lists are archived at http://lists.gnu.org. * Some GNU mailing lists are also distributed as USENET news groups Certain GNU mailing lists are gated both ways with the gnu.all newsgroups at uunet. You can tell which they are, because the names correspond. For instance, bug-gnu-emacs corresponds to gnu.emacs.bug; info-gnu-emacs, to gnu.emacs.announce; help-gnu-emacs, to gnu.emacs.help; gnu-emacs-sources, to gnu.emacs.sources. Replacing `emacs' with some other program in those four examples shows you the whole pattern. If you don't know if your site is on USENET, ask your system administrator. If you are a USENET site and don't get the gnu.all newsgroups, please ask your USENET administrator to get them. 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